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		<title>By: A Talk With An Electronics Industry Analyst &#124; Chris Gammell's Analog Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Talk With An Electronics Industry Analyst &#124; Chris Gammell's Analog Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a societal focus on developing advanced technology. The U.S. needs to work harder to develop more scientists and engineers amongst our own citizens. I hope that environmental concerns might stimulate the current generation of students in a similar [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the Fundamentals of Engineering Exam &#124; Chris Gammell's Analog Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the Fundamentals of Engineering Exam &#124; Chris Gammell's Analog Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what did I really learn? Something quite interesting:  I no longer plan to go to graduate school. (I had talked about possibly going back in a previous post)  That&#8217;s not really the subject of this post, I&#8217;d like to focus on that later, if at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what did I really learn? Something quite interesting:  I no longer plan to go to graduate school. (I had talked about possibly going back in a previous post)  That&#8217;s not really the subject of this post, I&#8217;d like to focus on that later, if at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J Gervasi</title>
		<link>http://chrisgammell.com/2009/12/09/back-to-school/comment-page-1/#comment-1288</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J Gervasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think working and going to school part-time or getting a job at the school that pays for classes plus some living expenses is the only way to go.  You can often take several classes at a school before you have to apply and have taken the GRE.  So you can sign up for a class that starts this January.  Once you’re accepted, the classes will count toward your degree.  If you’re accepted at a different school, you can probably get them to accept one or two classes from another school.

I went to USF in Tampa b/c it was near where I was living at the time.  They had a program of remote sites where you could watch the classes.  I started in 2001 and finished in 2005.  By the end of it, you most of it could be done online.  The ability to meet in person other remote students in the Tampa area to collaborate was extremely helpful.

My school did not require a thesis.  I thought my degree would be MEng, but my transcript and diploma read MSEE.  

If I were you, I would find a really good school that you think would accept you and that has a remote learning program that would work with your situation.  I would talk to people in the remote learning office about your situation and see how they respond.  Then I would sign up for a class starting January.  You can do the application process later.  

In my case, my employer paid for most of the cost of the classes.  I was laid off toward the end of the program.  I took a part-time job teaching a lab that paid for my classes at that time.  Unemployement plus $100/wk for teaching the class paid for my living expenses.  It worked out really well.  I ended up in a much better job in my hometown of Madison.  
I believe in never having any debt and not having too many house projects because they limit your options.  I want to focus on being a top engineer, not on fixing houses.  (I am not saying I wouldn’t fix a house; it’s just not my primary focus.)  I want the option to scale up and down paid work, school, and other projects as needed.  I want the option to take a risky job that pays mainly stock options that will only be worth something if the business is sold.  I could never have lived on unemployment for a semester and a half if I had had debt.  I can’t understate the benefits of having a little money saved and having no debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think working and going to school part-time or getting a job at the school that pays for classes plus some living expenses is the only way to go.  You can often take several classes at a school before you have to apply and have taken the GRE.  So you can sign up for a class that starts this January.  Once you’re accepted, the classes will count toward your degree.  If you’re accepted at a different school, you can probably get them to accept one or two classes from another school.</p>
<p>I went to USF in Tampa b/c it was near where I was living at the time.  They had a program of remote sites where you could watch the classes.  I started in 2001 and finished in 2005.  By the end of it, you most of it could be done online.  The ability to meet in person other remote students in the Tampa area to collaborate was extremely helpful.</p>
<p>My school did not require a thesis.  I thought my degree would be MEng, but my transcript and diploma read MSEE.  </p>
<p>If I were you, I would find a really good school that you think would accept you and that has a remote learning program that would work with your situation.  I would talk to people in the remote learning office about your situation and see how they respond.  Then I would sign up for a class starting January.  You can do the application process later.  </p>
<p>In my case, my employer paid for most of the cost of the classes.  I was laid off toward the end of the program.  I took a part-time job teaching a lab that paid for my classes at that time.  Unemployement plus $100/wk for teaching the class paid for my living expenses.  It worked out really well.  I ended up in a much better job in my hometown of Madison.<br />
I believe in never having any debt and not having too many house projects because they limit your options.  I want to focus on being a top engineer, not on fixing houses.  (I am not saying I wouldn’t fix a house; it’s just not my primary focus.)  I want the option to scale up and down paid work, school, and other projects as needed.  I want the option to take a risky job that pays mainly stock options that will only be worth something if the business is sold.  I could never have lived on unemployment for a semester and a half if I had had debt.  I can’t understate the benefits of having a little money saved and having no debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Fluxor</title>
		<link>http://chrisgammell.com/2009/12/09/back-to-school/comment-page-1/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluxor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, welcome to adulthood.

I&#039;ve often dreamt about returning to school, but only to do something completely and utterly different. In fact, I&#039;d like to study philosophy. I was so traumatized by grad studies (Master of Applied Science in Elec Eng) with a mostly disengaged, though renowned, professor, that I gave up on the idea of a PhD long before my Masters ended. Perhaps I can do a double degree -- Ph.D. in EE &amp; Bachelors of Arts in Philosophy. But first, I&#039;ll have to win the lottery.

From a techie point of view, I definitely view M.Eng as a lesser degree. There&#039;s real insight to be gained by doing research and writing a thesis. Course work is just that, course work. If you want to move into a job such an FAE or technical sales, M.Eng would probably be more useful.

I wrote the GRE and got into Stanford, my first choice, but I ended up staying in Canada for grad school where my tuition was C$4k/year. The cost of Stanford was simply more than I can bear.

I&#039;d avoid online program if I were you. It&#039;s a watered down experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, welcome to adulthood.</p>
<p>I've often dreamt about returning to school, but only to do something completely and utterly different. In fact, I'd like to study philosophy. I was so traumatized by grad studies (Master of Applied Science in Elec Eng) with a mostly disengaged, though renowned, professor, that I gave up on the idea of a PhD long before my Masters ended. Perhaps I can do a double degree -- Ph.D. in EE &amp; Bachelors of Arts in Philosophy. But first, I'll have to win the lottery.</p>
<p>From a techie point of view, I definitely view M.Eng as a lesser degree. There's real insight to be gained by doing research and writing a thesis. Course work is just that, course work. If you want to move into a job such an FAE or technical sales, M.Eng would probably be more useful.</p>
<p>I wrote the GRE and got into Stanford, my first choice, but I ended up staying in Canada for grad school where my tuition was C$4k/year. The cost of Stanford was simply more than I can bear.</p>
<p>I'd avoid online program if I were you. It's a watered down experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, I looked into the +1 yr masters program at CWRU when I was there and I think it&#039;s less appealing than they make it sound. I took a &quot;traditional&quot; master&#039;s program at another school and it took 3 semesters, and I think I learned a great deal more from it than if I had double-counted 9 credits (which is what the CWRU program essentially boils down to). As for research projects, a lot of the people I work with now are going back for MS degrees and their companies are willing to pay for them to go to school part time, and their these project is worked out to be work related. It is a good way to demonstrate to your company that you understand the business and want to go further, and it is a good way to also keep your advisor on track so you don&#039;t waste away with a project that never finishes (which is surprisingly common!). So before making any big decisions, I would suggest you have a discussion with your supervisor and see what they are willing to bring to the table if you want to get an advanced degree. Potentially they can solve a lot of your problems.

good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I looked into the +1 yr masters program at CWRU when I was there and I think it's less appealing than they make it sound. I took a "traditional" master's program at another school and it took 3 semesters, and I think I learned a great deal more from it than if I had double-counted 9 credits (which is what the CWRU program essentially boils down to). As for research projects, a lot of the people I work with now are going back for MS degrees and their companies are willing to pay for them to go to school part time, and their these project is worked out to be work related. It is a good way to demonstrate to your company that you understand the business and want to go further, and it is a good way to also keep your advisor on track so you don't waste away with a project that never finishes (which is surprisingly common!). So before making any big decisions, I would suggest you have a discussion with your supervisor and see what they are willing to bring to the table if you want to get an advanced degree. Potentially they can solve a lot of your problems.</p>
<p>good luck!</p>
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